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Pizza Version of White Bread #1 with Sourdough Starter

wpid-IMG_20140104_214600.jpgwpid-IMG_20140104_215112.jpgi did an experiment today with the white bread recipe i usually make.  i wanted to make a tomatoey dough with pizza flavors, so i substituted spicy V8 for the milk, olive oil for vegetable oil, and garlic salt for the salt, and added some pizza seasoning to the flour.

the recipe works out like this:
  • 1 c active sourdough starter
  • 6.5 c bread flour
  • 1 c spicy V8
  • 1.25 c water
  • 2 Tbsp olive oil
  • 1 Tbsp garlic salt
  • 3 Tbsp sugar
  • 1 tsp pizza seasoning
  • pepperoni and mozzarella cheese (optional)

wpid-IMG_20140105_105041.jpgmake the bread in the exact same way as the white bread recipe referenced above.  when it comes time to roll up the dough into a loaf, first add pepperoni and cheese, then roll it.  i made one with the filling, one without.

during the first rise which should be 10-30 mins, i think i let it sit for about an hour.  i probably should have shortened it as something weird happened later.  after a proof of about 1.25 hours, which is shorter than usual for this bread, the un-filled loaf got all lumpy and holey.  i didn’t notice when this happened, but my guess is that it somehow got over-proofed and started to deflate.

when it came time to bake, the un-filled one took the regular 25-30 mins, but the filled one took much longer to get up to 190-195 degrees.  i probably baked it an additional 15-20 minutes – measuring the internal temperature about every 5 mins.

wpid-IMG_20140105_130707.jpgwpid-IMG_20140105_141016.jpgthe finished product is more orange colored in the middle with a hint of pizza flavor, but not too much.  i think next time i’ll basically add more of the flavorings: pizza seasoning, tomato juice, filling.  i was thinking about trying pizza sauce instead of juice, but would probably need to add more water as well.

haven’t tried yet, but i’m guessing this would make a nice grilled cheese with mozzarella and pepperoni…

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Rustic Sourdough Bread

i like the sourdough conversion of white bread that i’ve made a few times, but since it takes 12 hours, i looked for another version which might be faster.  i ended up trying King Arthur Flour’s Rustic Sourdough Bread recipe.

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i got a fancy new digital scale for christmas, so you’ll see that featured in posts from now on.  it also means that my weight measurements will switch to grams, and since it has a tare function, the weight will be the ingredients alone, not including the container.

the recipe calls for instant yeast but i wanted to try it without, and it did work fine, just took a little longer… which kind of defeated the purpose of looking for a faster recipe.  total it took about 8 hours from mixing to baked bread, which is better than the 16 or more the other takes.

  • 1 cup “fed” sourdough starter (227g)
  • 1 1/2 cups lukewarm water
  • 1 tablespoon sugar
  • 2 1/2 teaspoons salt
  • 600g bread flour

combine all the ingredients.  i started with the starter and added everything except the flour – adding that last so i could only add as much as necessary.  i added about 530g of flour before it came together, then used more during kneading to keep it from sticking.

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wpid-IMG_20140102_124930.jpgafter kneading, let the dough rise until ripe – the recipe says 90 mins, but that’s with instant yeast – mine took about 4.5 hours.

wpid-IMG_20140102_171950.jpgwpid-IMG_20140102_201545.jpgform the dough into two loaves.  the original recipe was for a “rustic” loaf but i decided to make one in a pan.  i used the same flatten-then-roll-up method i’ve used before for the pan loaf, and just made a generally loaf-shaped loaf for the other one and put it on some parchment paper to rise and make it easier to transfer to the oven.  i let it rise for at least 3 hours, til it was very fluffy, then sprayed the top of each loaf with water, cut some slashes into the top of each loaf, then baked each loaf for about 25-30 mins at 425.  for the rustic loaf, i placed the parchment paper on my pizza stone.

both loaves baked nicely and tasted very similar to the other bread i’ve made.  as you can see below, the rustic one didn’t last long as we ate about 4 slices while it was hot!

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more sourdough starter instructions

i typed this up in an email to some friends i gave some starter to.

there’s 2 ways to feed sourdough – by weight and by volume, and there’s also a few possible situations – counter-top or fridge.
first rule is to always double it when you feed it.  this could be after you have used some or if you just need more for your recipe.
second rule is to always feed it every 12 hours if it’s on the counter.  i’m not sure how often in the fridge, but i’d say every 2 to 4 weeks.  you might find some clear liquid on the top if it’s been in the fridge for over 4 weeks – it’s alcohol (hooch?) that you can either dump off or stir back in.  you should be able to tell by smell if it’s gone bad.
third rule is to feed it equal amounts of flour and water by weight.  or by volume, 1/2 as much water as flour.
so on to the details.  when i keep mine on the counter, here’s what i do.  (i use a scale to weigh mine, but i’ll describe how using volume too.)
  1. weigh another identical jar, or otherwise know empty jar weight, so you know how much to subtract (the jar i use is about 280g or 10oz)
  2. weigh the jar with sourdough.  let’s say it’s 380g so there’s 100g of sourdough starter.
  3. if you’re just feeding it to maintain it, dump out half
  4. add back flour/water equal to the weight of the sourdough you have in the jar currently.  so if you dumped out half, you have 50g left.  you would need to add 50g of “food” back which would be 25g flour, 25g water.  if you didn’t dump out half, you have 100g of starter so you would add 100g more “food” – 50g flour and 50g water.
  5. stir it up
now if you don’t weigh it, you can use volume.  the jar probably has markings on it for cups or fl oz
  1. stir up the starter to remove all the bubbles otherwise you won’t get a good volume measurement
  2. read how much you have – say 1 cup
  3. if you’re feeding it to maintain it, dump out half
  4. add back “food” so the amount of flour is the same as the starter, and the water is half as much.  so if you dumped out half, you have 1/2c left.  you would need to add 1/2c flour and 1/4c water.  make sure the flour is very loose or you’ll have too much.  if you didn’t dump out half and you’re just doubling your starter to get more, you’d start with 1c of starter, and add 1c of flour and 1/2c of water.
  5. stir it up
another thing to know is the different stages:
  1. just fed – obviously this is just after you added flour/water and stirred it up.  it isn’t very usable at this point, but if you’re going to refridgerate it, this is the best time to put it in the fridge.
  2. active – this is a few hours after you feed it – it should get very bubbly and double in volume.  this is a good time to use it to bake something.
  3. mature – this is hours after it’s active, the bubbles won’t be strong enough to keep it inflated, and it will fall back down in volume.  it can still be used in some recipes but won’t rise much.  it will have small bubbles on the top and eventually will have a layer of clear liquid on the top (alcohol) but you can stir that back in before feeding it again.
to use it from the counter top, just feed it ahead of time and get the volume up to what the recipe calls for, then use it when it’s active.
to use it from the fridge – take it out, let it warm up to room temp, feed it probably two cycles to make sure it’s very active again before baking with it.  so if you want to use it out of the fridge, take it out the day before and feed it.
if you just used it and want to store it, just feed whatever is left according to the instructions above, then put it back in the fridge.
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Homemade Pizza Dough (Sourdough Starter)

i got a nice new pizza stone for christmas this year (i somehow cracked my previous two) so i decided to make homemade pizza and try using sourdough starter.  i followed this recipe i found on sourdoughhome.com.

the first dough turned out a little dry so i made another in a slightly different way which was much stretchier, but i baked both and they were very good in different ways.

the ingredients are very simple:

  • 1.5 c mature sourdough starter
  • 1 T olive oil
  • 1 t Salt
  • 1.5 c Flour

this recipe is for one pizza.

wpid-IMG_20131223_171811.jpgi started by just mixing all these things together – flour, then sourdough starter (i had some that had been fed awhile ago so it was “mature”) and the rest.  this turned out quite dry, so i added a little more sourdough starter to try to help, and then after it had formed a ball i tried to save it by adding a little water.  this just made it sticky.  you can see by the series of photos below that it was a kind of lumpy ball – it felt kind of dense and rubbery, not soft and stretchy like it should.  i let it rest anyway and started on another one.

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for the next attempt, i didn’t take pictures of the process, but it came out much better, so i’ll explain the steps.  this is the process i’d recommend if you want a dough that is very stretchy and you can make very thin and crispy.  the ingredients are the same, except i had used all the “mature” starter with the first dough so i used some active bubbly starter – i’m not sure if this made a difference, but it might have been the key.  i also added a little water.  i didn’t measure the dough quite as exactly this time either, just going by feel to determine if there was enough.

make the dough:

  1. add a little flour to a large bowl – like 1/4 cup
  2. add about 1 to 1.5 cups of sourdough starter
  3. since my measuring cup had starter stuck in it, i added a little water and swished it around – less than 1/4 cup.  i then added the oil and salt to this and stirred it up before pouring it over the sourdough starter
  4. stir this mixture up to form a batter
  5. start adding flour, 1/2 cup at a time, until a dough forms
  6. dump the dough onto a floured surface and knead for 10 mins, adding flour as necessary to prevent sticking, but making sure it’s slightly sticky

this one turned out smooth and stretchy like pizza dough should be.  or as my mom always said, it should feel “like a baby’s bottom.”  form it into a smooth ball, and let the dough rest, covered, for about 30 mins.

shape the crust: flatten the ball with your hands, and stretch it while rotating, or if you want to get fancy, toss it into the air with a spinning motion so the centripetal force stretches it out (catch it on the back of your hands, not your fingers.)  depending on how stretchy your dough turned out, you can make a very large, very thin dough.  my first one was not stretchy, so i rolled it out with a rolling pin and it was not thin, more of a “hand-tossed” thickness.  my second attempt was so stretchy that i accidentally made the middle paper-thin while there was still quite a thick crust around the circumference.

put some cornmeal on a peel, then move the crust by folding it half twice, then unfold it on the peel.  my first attempt did this easily.  my second one kind of stuck to itself and unfolded strangely…

baking: using a pizza stone is the best way to bake pizza, and i’ve used both techniques mentioned in the recipe on sourdoughhome.com before – bake crust first, then add toppings and bake again, or bake everything at once.  since i wasn’t quite sure how the first, tougher, dough would turn out, i used the two-bake method so toppings wouldn’t be wasted if the crust didn’t perform.

pizza ovens used by restaurants are very very hot, so preheat your oven with pizza stone to 500°.

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on to the toppings: i’ve made homemade pizza sauce before, but haven’t settled on a recipe yet – the last time it was so watery that i think it caused my pizza stone to crack when the sauce leaked off/through the crust.  so i used canned Contadina sauce (i add more sauce after the first baking, but we love sauce.)  i also usually use regular Hormel pepperoni, but this time opted for the sausage-like pepperoni and cut it myself, i think it was better.  for cheese i like a mozzarella/provolone blend.  top your pizza however you like, then put it back in the oven for 5-7 mins until the cheese is golden brown.

wpid-IMG_20131223_191803.jpgwpid-IMG_20131223_192448.jpgthe first pizza turned out with a thicker, chewier, yet crispy crust and had more of the sourdough flavor to it.  the second pizza had a thinner, crispier crust, with almost cracker-like edges but less sourdough taste.  i preferred the second one, but the first was very good too.

appetizer: i had a tiny bit of dough that i experimented with when i was trying to see if adding less flour would be better.   it was probably 1/3 the size of the pizza dough.  so i flattened it into a rectangle, buttered it, sprinkled it with garlic salt and cheese, and baked it for 7-8 mins and had some very tasty cheese sticks.  i didn’t get a chance to take a picture because it was eaten up so quickly, so here’s the last little bite that was left by the time i remembered:

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storing: since we can’t eat two whole pizzas, we just put the leftovers on a pizza pan, wrapped in tin foil, and put it in the freezer, it reheats very well on the pizza stone.  you can also stop after the first baking and freeze the crust so it’s ready to be topped and baked instantly.

sourdough whitebread #1

sourdough starter

first, a brief history: i started baking bread using this no-knead recipe that my brother made one year for a holiday, it was easy and tasty.  then i moved on to other yeast bread recipes, mostly from the back of red star yeast packages.  it amazed me how easy it is to make something so delicious with a little work and i’ve tried a few varieties of white bread, wheat bread, dinner rolls, buttermilk biscuits, cinnamon rolls, and pizza dough.  i’ll document and post those in the future.

carl's sourdough starter
carl’s sourdough starter

my latest experiments are with sourdough.  pretty much all my knowledge has come from sourdoughhome.com, and i follow his advice on maintaining starter and converting yeast recipes to sourdough.  you can find all that info on his site, so i won’t duplicate it all here.  basically sourdough starter is a yeast culture that you keep alive and use in place of dried baker’s yeast like red star that you buy in the store.

i got my starter mailed to me for the cost of a S.A.S.E by going to carlsfriends.net, writing them, and a few weeks later receiving some dried Carl Griffith’s 1847 Oregon Trail Sourdough Starter.  i followed their instructions and pretty soon had some live, bubbly starter.

today, i used some of that starter to make the bread at the top of the post, however i forgot to start documenting with photos, so the actual bread recipe will come in a later post – here i will just be showing how i use and maintain the starter.

mature starter in a quart jar
mature starter in a quart jar
inside the jar
inside the jar

first, you need something to keep your starter in.  i use a wide mouth quart canning jar with a lid that i screw on loosely, so it has a lot of room to expand and is easy to get a spoon in there to stir.

this starter was fed a long time ago, so it’s bubbly but has gone past the most active stage.  i try to feed my starter every 12 hours when i don’t have it in the fridge, and i use a small postal scale to weigh the flour and water that i add.

the jar i use weighs about 16 oz (1lb), so i just consider 1 lb to be 0 since i can’t tare this scale.

now, to feed starter, add its weight in half flour + half water by weight.  since you double the weight when you feed it, you would have an exponentially growing mass of yeast, (in one week, your 8oz would be over 8,000 lbs.) so you just dump out half of it before feeding each time and then replace that weight with half flour/water.

4 oz of starter in my jar and 4 oz to share
4 oz of starter in my jar and 4 oz to share

i am planning on sharing my starter, so instead of dumping it in the trash this time, i poured it into a smaller jar.

to feed each jar, which has 4 oz of starter, i added 2 oz flour and 2 oz water, by weight, then stir it up and set it on the counter.  it’s also good to scrape down the sides of the jar into the starter.  i use unbleached all-purpose to maintain the starter, but use bread flour when baking with it.

after a few hours, the starter will get all bubbly and increase in volume, this is when it is ‘active’ and good to use in recipes.  i used 1 cup in the recipe i made today.  if your recipe calls for more, you can just keep doubling it without dumping it out until you have enough.

alternately, you can refrigerate your starter shortly after feeding it if you don’t plan on using it soon, this slows down the yeast.  to maintain a refrigerated starter, just remove it from the fridge about once a week, let it warm up, dump out half, feed it, then put it back.  the sites i’ve read recommend going through one or two feeding cycles after removing a refrigerated starter.

your jar will probably get crusty around the lid after awhile, just pour the starter into a new one and wash the old one.

bubbly, active starters
bubbly, active starters
recently fed starter
recently fed starter